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Journal Entry: Wed Jun 6, 2012, 8:38 PM



It doesn't hurt to ask !
Hi people !

So you guys know about the person who stole my picture and uploaded to their account ?
Well, turns out they deleted it, after you guys reported it so much, which I am grateful for. Thank you for all the support, it means a lot !

But then, they sent me a note, and I do NOT care if some of you think it shouldn't be revealed, but here is what it said :

"Sorry, I just liked the picture. Sheesh... Sometimes, people could just ask instead of giving attitude like you fat, stupid mouth just did there. :|"

I suppose I have the right to feel offended ? Yes, I do.
Because to me it doesn't matter the reason why they uploaded it to their account, as it is still my picture and I am the only one that can decide whether I agree to let others use it or not.
So yes, people "could just ask" me if they can use it or not and see if I allow them OR NOT.

"I just liked the picture" doesn't mean you should steal it and upload it to your account and especially not to your group when it's on your account and not mine in that case.
This kind of thievery is no different than any other, it does and will always infringe copyrights.
Plus, why upload it on DeviantART again when it's already on there ? Logic ?

MY Art may not be used to your liking unless I give you permission for it. It is mine and mine only, so stay in your corner and draw your own stuff without bothering others.

Oh yeah and they blocked me, but I really don't give a shit.
Just next time, face the consequences instead of running away like a coward.
Now with that said,

Thanks for reading :heart:




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xenaferetek Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
Okay good now lets move on
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
Well yes, that's what this journal is for. :aww:
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xenaferetek Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
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Grievous-fangirl Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
JUSTICE! TAKE THAT, BEOTCH! <3
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
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I just hope they learn because I want peace now =A=
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Vaculity Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
Thieves are always thieves to no end, no matter how you look at it.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012
Well yes, I know that, and, it's truly annoying. >__>
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katxicon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
unpopular-opinion time, GO!

OK, so, it doesn't hurt to ask. Now I'm not saying this person was justified in their actions, cuz they weren't, stealing is bad etc etc. HOWEVER, I also personally believe you have wronged that person too.
In this case particularly, it was really not very necessary to alert your watchers. As I'm sure you know, no matter what you say, when you tell watchers "____ has stolen my arts", they're gonna go and raise hell. Flamming a person just because they've reposted your picture does nothing but escalate the issue. All they did was repost something of yours, they weren't trying to sell it, and they weren't getting a lot of attention/praise from it.
This person is just another human, and deserves the same respect and dignity as you and me. Simply asking them to remove it, and then maybe reporting it yourself if they refuse to remove it is all that would've been necessary.
So, I'm not saying they were right in their actions, but really, you're making a bit too big of a deal from this than it really needs to be.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Yes ?
Of course I asked them first. And for the record, no, my watchers didn't flame the person, they said overall : "Take it down, it's not yours." or "Please take it down, I'm sure you can draw good pics just by yourself with practice."
My watchers are more mature than one would think, and so am I.

I asked them, they didn't listen, they got reported.
The whole : "people could just ask instead of giving attitude like you fat, stupid mouth just did there." is just something they said to try to accuse me of being the one who did wrong, when I'm not. Just so I could feel bad about it, but too bad, I know I did ask for them to take it down, while they did not ask for my permission.
I asked them to take it down, so did the friends who warned me about this, warning them about the trouble they'd get into if they didn't take it down. They didn't listen, they got reported.

One more thing, this person is a troll who bashes other deviants who make stuff they do not like, so no, they hurt my friends, they do me wrong, they insult others and not just me, therefore, to me, they don't even deserve the fact we asked them in the first place.
Yet we did. Again, it's their own fault for not listening to us.

So no, I haven't wronged that person, they are the only one to blame.
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katxicon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I never said you never asked. I know you did, I read that journal. My point is that the world doesn't need to get involved in such a small issue.
Its good that whats-their-face got reported, they posted art that wasn't theirs. I'm not asking you to feel bad or anything, and yes, that note they sent you was dumb. It's this whole "us" thing you've got goin' on that is unnecessary. One-on-one confrontation wouldn't have been impossible.
People are more than one dimensional. I cannot say how accurate the claim of them being a troll is, but regardless, civil actions foster civil responses.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Reason why I told my watchers about it was because they blocked me and I couldn't contact them anymore.
So how could I possibly discuss with them ? I couldn't, they didn't want the "one-on-one" confrontation, so it's their own fault.
They only unblocked me so they could send me the note, and when I was going to reply to that note, the sending was blocked.
So again, I am not to blame.
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katxicon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
You can still report people or deviations when you're blocked.
I'm not trying to blame you for anything, just asking to reconsider tactics if this ever happens again.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
*sighs*
I reported the deviation, yet, sometimes just one report isn't enough, I know that as back when I was ~lvdragon, I had my pictures stolen and a report from me with the original picture didn't even do it. Result ? The guy got away mocking me because the deviation was still in his gallery. At the time I didn't know that watchers could help if that happened.

I don't have to reconsider my tactics, for I asked the person to remove it, the person didn't listen, blocked me, and I just only asked for help to my friends who did not even flame the guy/girl, and just did it all properly. The person was the one to "flame" us. I did not want to take the risk again to let a thief get away. Their reports in addition to mine were useful, and the picture got deleted.
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katxicon Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I'm just basing this off of what I saw when viewing the reposted deviation.
But whatevs. Too many people get bombarded and bias-labeled "thief" when there's more to the story. Even "thieves" need to be defended. Or..that sounds wrong. Its more like, nefarious reasons or not, people deserve forgiveness and/or a second chance. Don't need to be BFFs for life, but if the issue is solved, great. The end. Dragging out the drama of the issue can't be good.
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Shear-Rohark Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student Filmographer
Scuse me, I don't mean to butt in, though, it was better that he was confronted because if he wasn't confronted, she'd have to report him to the staff and there would be no second chance for him.

Simply stating, he already has a second chance. We aren't taking away his freedom here on dA and we just don't want him to steal anyone else's art.

I'm sorry if this offended you in some way, I would just like to make it clear that this person wanted to notify her watchers so she could at least have some back-up to confront him.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
He IS a thief.
He went around on other KFP-related deviations, showed this to other people, claiming it to be his own, THAT IS thievery.
I'm not going to defend or respect someone who does such things with what is the result of time and effort from me.
And who said I wasn't forgetting about it ? That I wasn't willing to forgive ? You say everyone deserves a second chance and I know that best than anyone else, for I've been through situations that taught me on the matter.

The problem is, the guy isn't willing to let me give him a second chance for he blocked me, and doesn't want to hear about me anymore. Why ? Because he knows he didn't just "repost" it to show he liked it. He knows he reposted and claimed it to be his own on other stuff in comments.
I was already trying to forget about this all and forgive the guy, for the record.

Again, I know what a "Second chance" mean, and mind you, I always give people an other chance to prove me they ain't as bad as we may think.
Thanks for making my day worse than it was already.
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TyrannosaurusKing Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay now that is just pathetic. I had my art stolen, and they also think it is okay to upload it on DA. I hear you man.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Yeah, in their eyes it's not thievery, but to us all it is and will always be since permission wasn't asked.
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TyrannosaurusKing Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very great wisdom words.
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StellasStar Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Amen to THAT!
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Hahaha xDDD
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studiofruke Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I wasn't really following this, but I've got a question.

Did you ask them to remove it before sending your watchers at them? 'Cause if you didn't, that was a bit of a bad move. They obviously would have removed it if you had asked nicely first. (Assuming you didn't)
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Yes, of course, along with other people (those who warned me about the thief).
But they never listened, so we reported him.
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studiofruke Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Alright. I didn't know, and I bet some people would have just gone to setting the watchers on the fellow before asking themselves. I'm glad you did ask first, and that it's taken care of now.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I know a few yeah, who are used to sending their watchers right away just for the heck of it, to, prove they have a lot of people following and whatnot. >A>
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bonsaiking Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
meinst du mich damit? weil ich die Wal und Hai bilder bei mir reingestelt habe?
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Jemand stahl meine Zeichnungen >n>
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bonsaiking Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
:(
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ShootingStar03 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh bebe, karma has its charms.
Also it takes a while for some ignorant people to realize that dA doesn't work like Photobucket so.
I'd rather that you leave it at that. We all know that no matter how much we try to reason, people like them will never cease to exist. Just enjoy your art and do what you want.

We may not be able to prevent stealing but you can be damn sure we'll avenge it.

B-)
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
lol yes I know, but this guy/girl never wanted to listen :shrug:
So it got reported and I guess they are to blame. :I
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ShootingStar03 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Psh. Don't waste your awesome sauce on 'em.
We've got your back :iconfuckyeaplz:
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Moonstripe-The-Wolf Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student Filmographer
Well, that was a terribly mature response. At least you handled it well. lol
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Yeah, it's their fault they didn't take it down when we told them to. :roll:
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SabarielLocien Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student General Artist
Sometimes I wonder if people understand the purpose of this site. Yes, there are sites like Tumblr which aren't strictly art sites that you can post random pictures you like to, "like" pictures, reblog pictures, etc (so long as credit is given where it is needed). However, DeviantART is NOT a "post random pictures" site. It is an art promotion site, and it has all these features that allow you to favorite, share, and support WITHOUT downloading and reuploading the image from the original artist with or without their permission.
Sorry, guess I've had that on my chest for a while. But honestly, it just seems like such a basic concept that I guess I can't understand how someone can't understand that :/.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I get you >_>
I hate it when people think it's fine for them to grab the picture and upload it to your account just like that. :shrug:
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SabarielLocien Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student General Artist
I know :/. It's just like, "... Seriously, how old are you and do you not understand the function of the "Favorite" button?"
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
^This exactly in that case. :XD:
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SabarielLocien Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Student General Artist
=w= Ah, children.
I could proceed into a rather lengthy rant, but I won't since it's not entirely necessary...
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
Please do !
I'd like to hear what you have to say :'D
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SabarielLocien Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Student General Artist
xD Oh goodness. Alright, here I go:
Despite some strange, popular belief, there is an age limit concerning access to the internet for a reason. Honestly, I think it should be set a little higher than 13, but I know plenty who would disagree. The Internet holds content that should not be viewed by a younger age group, and no matter the precautions and protections put in place, it is far too easy for anyone to access something that they shouldn't be exposed to.
But I think the biggest thing for sites like these is that there is a professional standard of maturity that its members is expected to have, and that maturity cannot be expected of a child who is 13 or younger (in fact half the time, I hardly expect it from people around 16 and 14, but that isn't to say that someone within that range isn't an exception for I've met a few). But it's the immaturity of younger individuals who don't understand the base concepts of sites like these that make it very trying for those who do. DeviantART, despite what people say it has become, is not a social-networking site. It is a site designed for artists to gather and interact to share interests and provide constructive criticism to help each other grow as an artist of their own profession. Yes, there are hobbyists who share a love for art and they are most welcome to come and enjoy and support their favorite artists. However, it is not for people to come and use as an image hosting site or a search engine for pictures (which, despite a disturbingly common belief, are also held under copyright and often deserve as much credit and appreciation as any artwork on any other site).
Younger viewers typically don't understand this concept (and even some older people, through my experience...). They hold this odd belief that anything they find on the Internet just appeared out of no where and involved no one's hard work but their own finding it because they have yet to come to understand that not everything can just be bought from Wal-Mart ( that sounded random, but I couldn't think of a better analogy xD; ). Or they just simply don't bother to understand where it all comes from. And clearly, with the case of those who save and reupload images, they haven't even taken the thought and time to study and peruse the full functions of this site and, again, probably shouldn't be a member in the first place. In which then they get all offended because they currently don't hold the experience or capacity to understand that it is a legal offense to do such and why people are getting on their case as a consequence to their behavior. And truthfully, they should appreciate the lesson now before they grow up, do the same thing, and get sued and/or arrested.
The problem I think that's behind this though is lax parenting--many parents now-a-days seem to only want to have their children quiet and out of the way, so they give them movies, video games, and computers for entertainment. And then they go off and neglect their child, immerse and expose them to things that, if they had been paying attention, they would have never exposed them to. And then they complain about their child's behavior, or someone else comes to them complaining about their child's behavior, and they can't understand how their child acts the way they do. Not saying that all children with such parents turn out bad--it just makes it difficult for the child as they're growing up, and their parents seem to hardly do anything to help them, which I find sad and demoralizing. An abuse of a different caliber, in my opinion, and it reflects poorly in young children's behavior (obviously). Not only that, but then it takes longer for them and an outside, often rather brutal, force to teach them deeper concepts concerning such things as theft.

... My gosh, I can rant xD. Sorry for the wall of text there.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012
That was long but I agree with most of it anyway :XD:

Especially this :

"DeviantART, despite what people say it has become, is not a social-networking site"

A lot of people think it's right if DeviantART goes with Geotagging, Rating Comments, and whatnot that's like Facebook and Youtube, etc...
It's just truly irritating. :|
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GTX-Media Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Professional Photographer
I would've simply responded "That's what the "Favorite" feature is for." They can **** off at this point.
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Exactly !
That's what I thought exactly when I read them say they "liked" the picture. :XD:
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Redemption909 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
Gah. Dx I was hoping they'd have the grace to handle this properly...
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Me too O_o
But instead we get this. :XD:
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Redemption909 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
Well, at least it gives us some laughs. XD
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FluffySpiderz Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I congradulate you
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SinisterEternity Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
lol thanks xDD
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FluffySpiderz Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you're welcome
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Wraithldr Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student General Artist
They were probably just trying to come down off of the embarrassment of being caught, but, that was an awfully caustic thing of them to say. It's kind of sad really, I've encountered people, not necessarily here on DA, that really don't think there is anything wrong with theft of any type. Some people apparently never escape that toddler mentality of "If I see it, it's mine."-_-

On a more cheery note, I just realized what your new avatar was, and it made my day. xD
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